For my bike, trainerday has everything I was claiming, no more to add.
In fact, I was using zwift for indoor cycling but now I use trainerday.
I use my treadmill with zwift and this pedometer to send the running data to zwift (Runn™ - Zwift).
With the Runn device, zwift receives via bluetooth the speed and cadence of my running session and that’s all I need to display the important data from my running session and log it later in zwift (and it automatically uploads to Garmin Connect).
Just FYI, I have a Garmin Forerunner 245 that supports virtual running.
I would like to use trainerday for my running sessions in the same way as my indoor cycling sessions, but my attempts were unsuccessful (to be honest, I didn’t spend much time on it).
Now my perception is that in trainerday you can’t see the speed in the session data, can you?
I would be perfect if you could run indoor while you are viewing the basic data (time, heart frecuency and speed ). The speed would came from Runn podometer via bluetooth.
is this possible?
Thanks in advance and thanks for your trainerday strategy.
There are some modern treadmills that have that capability.
When I was thinking of buying mine, I looked at several.
Obviously, there are very different prices depending on the quality and technology supported.
I finally bought a Nordictrack T10.
Until now I thought that my threadmill can be controlled from ifit app, but not with other apps like zwift, etc…
But… I recently discovered Kinni ( https://kinni.co/) which allows to connect via bluetooth with my treadmill and control it.
In my case, my treadmill model was not officially supported but the app has an “experimental” section where I can connect it and it works .
Sometimes when I am traveling and use the hotel gym I can use technogym treadmills that have several interesting functionalities like automatic speed control to keep your heart rate set.
This functionality is very very interesting for running but I don’t know how to use it on treadmills other than technogym.
I hope it has helped you.
As a mantra, I would like to have an app that works like Trainerday, so flexible and simple, but that I can use it both for the indoor bike and for my treadmill.
Yeah this https://kinni.co/ looks cool. I am happy to take the next steps and expand on what we do which is allow creating shareable running workouts and executing those in our app based on power or virtual power. It could be like we do swimERG and rowERG now and we do show speed and distance since we did not need the + - functionality since they are not controllable. We would probably avoid trying to control smart trainers any time in the near future.
As a triathlete, this sounds like music to my ears!
TD is well suited to be a database for multi-sport workouts. I would love to have the ability to create/search running workouts and sync them with Garmin (not that much different from the existing cycling workouts really!)
Picking up the topic. Would it be possible, for a beginning, to just display the workout even though we have to set the speed and incline on the treadmill on our own?
This sounds like an easy solution, and would integrate running very nicely. Of course I understand it’s more under the hood as running usually is pace-based and not so much power based (and even if it is, treadmills still are pace-based).
Would be great and I could use TD for all my workouts.
Do these treadmills output power in standardized cycling power way? Or how would you record or see the data in TD? If there is a simple and useful solution I would explore it.
Power is not as clear as in cycling. As my treadmill is old it doesn’t send any data, but my Stryd footpod does, and so does my Garmin HRM. However the Watts these two report are very different.
But they report speed and cadence as well, and I think this is the way to go - at least to start with. All treadmills can be set to a given speed (and incline). If a WO would display the necessary speed that would be fine for a beginning. Reading the speed from a sensor (or the treadmill) would be the comparison for the WO.
Going with power would mean that you have a translation table somewhere (or in your head) as treadmills cannot be set for power. Not a real problem, if it makes things easier.
Can you try our app some time and switch it to swimming or rowing and see if speed and distance are picked up? They show at the bottom. Just see if they are not 0 because it is not kph/mph but seconds per 500m or something…
I could connect to the Stryd (however the sensor is listed as “cycling power”)
The Garmin HRM-Pro was connected as HRM but I could not connect it for the running metrics
There was neither speed nor distance shown or recorded, however power was shown (I tried it both, as SwimErg and as RowErg, and they collected the same data).
I saved the tests to my activities, so if you can access this data, you should be able to see them. Here’s the respective screenshot
For what it’s worth, after the tests I did a workout on the Concept2 (connected via PainSled app) and it didn’t record speed either (and some other strange things, but I’ll put that in the C2-thread).
Would love this function. Also have the run pod. Use the HR for monitoring my runs atm- so just being able to change the picture from bike to run would make the overview of my activities easier was well. Thanks for a great product!
By chance I’m also going to finally dedicate myself to running, but only indoors with a treadmill, and I came here to see if it was possible to use the TD for that purpose, I would love it and it was another excellent option as well as being an added value.
I’m waiting
Hello, hello, hello. We have had a long journey from the early ERGdb days. I wish running would all just hurry up and switch to power based, then in theory it would be easy I know we have pods for power now but still seems to be the minority. Does your treadmill output power? I would guess some do. Or if people were interested we could add a converter. Slope + Pace + Weight = power, then you could just do power based workouts. I know swimmers and rowers tend to be more distance interval based. With our app we realized distance based intervals are almost impossible in our app, or would be a serious amount of work.
So time and power based running even with virtual power like the dumb trainers with no power meter should be fairly easy to do. The good thing about running is this estimation of power would be much more accurate than the dumb bike trainers. So it’s a more viable solution.
If people let me know that power and time were fine for training I would be much more open to building it. It’s also very possible we or someone could build an interval creator that would convert speed, slope and distance to power and time and just create an ERG or ZWO file from that but ultimately in our app it would still be time and power based.
Sorry this request just got me thinking, how could we do this.
Friend Alex, it’s true it’s been a good few years;)
Now regarding the necessary data in relation to athletics, mainly indoor athletics.
Everything I’ve read, all the information I’ve tried to absorb, and it was no small feat, I’ve been doing this for about 2 months, after all this work, my opinion is that measuring Watts in athletics, and especially in indoor athletics, doesn’t do the trick. minimal sense or need, so for me it is completely unnecessary.
Portugal has some worldwide tradition in athletics, and after analyzing things here, no one gives the slightest value to this training measure.
The running treadmill that I ended up buying was the “Domynus T900D” model. I haven’t received it yet, nor have I tested anything, but I think it does a lot and is enough for those who train indoors.
The purpose of the purchase in the first place was for my daughter who is running on an athletics team in order to improve and I am going to take advantage and start running, which I should have done a long time ago, even on medical advice.
I found this application, which allows you to connect some equipment that does not meet all the requirements to connect to current platforms, to be an added value.
This one is also very useful, even Zwift sells it under their brand in their store
Then we have a list of good accessories, which in a way gives us the necessary information so that we can carry out training with information at an almost professional level.
Yes the main point here is that our app functions in time and power. Trying to change that would be difficult. But that does not mean you need to own a power meter. We can convert automatically speed and elevation to power so you don’t need to use a power meter.
I think treadmill conversion is probably pretty accurate but outdoors with wind and hard to judge elevation changes it’s not very accurate. I have not researched this very much but understand the basics.
I have been using this QZ app it works with my spin bike. It’s great.
Interesting on the NPE product, I had not seen that. I have seen the rest.
I know we have pods for power now but still seems to be the minority. Does your treadmill output power? I would guess some do. Or if people were interested we could add a converter. Slope + Pace + Weight = power, then you could just do power based workouts. I know swimmers and rowers tend to be more distance interval based. With our app we realized distance based intervals are almost impossible in our app, or would be a serious amount of work.