Hi mybe some of u can help me..I m courently following Jack Plan but I’ve notice that today’s work out It Is Always a Better One… what’s the best tò follow?!? thanks
Please show an example:
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The workout on the Coach Jack plan
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Today’s workout
and summarise why you think the latter is better.
Today is more fun for those that prefer some intensity, and today, takes your last week hardest workout and finds something similar but different/fun/interesting/popular. I personally put a lot of value in doing what is fun, especially if consistency is at all a problem. Mixing in a fun intensity workout here or there is not a bad idea. You might want to increase the intensity on your CJ plan to make it a bit harder.
It’s highly dependent on your goals. If absolutely top performance is the only goal then following a good plan could make a small improvement over fun.
Hi what I mean Is that the Plan Is Always Easy and maily z2 It grows only in time…and It does not change if in the weekend I Ve been riding many ours outdoor…the second one het Is more various and stimulatig It gives a lot of differnt workout…the best d be tò have someone to chat tò and a more Dynamic plan however I understand tha It be way more exepensive
Dynamic plan is not better, most are just random… Pros dont follow dynamic plans for the most part.
Pros are pros…and I understand that a random Plan It Is not a Plan but this way I feel I m not growing but loosing insted (Lost 25 FTP watt) that vor now can be abcettable not for late…any way I m here Just asking on traying tò do the right thing I Ve Always trained outdoor no roller It all new for me thanks
As Alex wrote, maybe some changes to your plan would improve it a bit.
That said, in the base phase of a plan, it is mostly Z2 / base work that you will be offered. It is not unusual to drop a bit of FTP in base phase.
If you aren’t sold on the idea of the plan, using today’s workout some (or all) of the time, is OK. Whatever keeps you motivated to ride is the best choice.
But the point is if dynamic is better is “it depends” if you find the right dynamic for you, your goals and your what works for your physiology than dynamic can be better, but it’s a bit hit or miss. I would say a very important part of what is better is what you believe and trust. If you trust a specific dynamic is better you are more likely to follow it.
As pointed out you are currently doing a base phase. Most people don’t want to do base even if it is what is best for them. Many people like hard indoor winters on the trainer. This is backwards of what almost all elite cyclists do. But again, fun is important. Most dynamic platforms give you what you want, not what you should have for best performance. Or let’s say most don’t build in good periodization. Base, build, peak has been established and used for 50 years and still used today for top performance. Do you have to do it? No. Can you get fast without it, yes. If you do too much intensity all year then you risk burnout and will stop progressing.
So I believe for most people fun and following their beliefs is most important, and in this way dynamic has an advantage, that it self adjusts to what you like.
Hope that helps.
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FTP gains and losses seasonally are normal. FTP is a test, and in most cases a ramp test. Ramp tests are very dependent on high intensity efforts. So you might have gained aerobic capacity but your ramp test goes down. A 60 minute TT, or 60 minutes at zone 2 at specific HR would be a better aerobic test.
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Thanks a lot to booth of u
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Also I suggest for many people to follow a base plan as long as they can, when they go crazy and must have more intensity, then switch from base to build. This is the kind of dynamic that makes sense. Logical choices based on you, not some formula that sounds good but is unproven. Basically most dynamic training sounds good.
Xert makes total sense logically. I am not sure how it has changed in the last few years but over all the idea of break throughs are something that make sense during a peak phase for people that don’t have faster friends or races to get that max efforts from. Outdoor max efforts with friends is so much more fun, and great for performance if not done too often all year round.
We are on the same page… however I m here tò get faster for races (for my Age and work I m pretty good at)lately Is every One getting faster and faster and I wonna be able to keep them up even Better if possibile
Build would be ok right now but what’s the Plan do i Ve tò choose…there are more than One and do i Ve tò start/make a Total new One
So Coach Jack was designed by Andrea Morelli, he is pro coach for 30 years and got Cadel Evans to with the TDF… He also coaches many non pros and juniors… He is more advisor these days but he understands more than just what pros need. He is very good friend and partner. What you should realize is that most people will hit peak performance in 4-6 months of focusing on intensity. So you should plan your season around hitting your peak for #1 A race right before this 4 to 6 month period. This would current be around April/May. If you have been doing a base period for weeks or month or so, you can for sure start a build period now.
The initial intensity does not need to be very high but the end intensity can be high, and if you are not doing prep-races or group rides then your intensity could be very high for the end.
I suggestion serious Italian for build and Dynamic force for peak period for most racers. 40km TT racers should probably have more of a sweet spot / threshold focus.
You figure out the timing but 12-16 weeks of build followed by about 8 weeks of peak
Here is good idea for build. Intensity level 4 is probably good but look at the end and see what you think. The end should not be deadly hard but hard for threshold for example.
This Is very intesting i ll start racing end february but obviosly main goals comes futher (April May and worlds in September) i do mostly MTB races and race time Is various and stands between 2,15 h and 6 h if you think your idea match with this I’ll give more than a shot
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Yes this is very good plan for you. The only thing you might adjust is during the peak period a bit more specific training for your goals. You can still start with this as the build period and we can talk again before you complete the build period. Overall you likely need to fine tune your vo2max efforts, or if you really need short burst power for your events fine tune that but 2-6 hours aerobic is the most important by far.
I would say for next fall / winter you might want to try some zone 2 focused training, even more focused then CJ base, but that is a totally different subject and you would need to be a strong believer or it does not make sense.
In another thread, I have mentioned an athlete that goes by the username batwood14 on the TR forum.
He races similar races to you (not sure if he is in your age category) and this extract from a post of his might pique your interest
“I’m a huge fan of Steve’s methods. In fact, towards the end of the podcast he mentions an athlete who had done an event a number of times and was ultimately targeting a top 10 finish in that event one day…and after working with Steve for 2 1/2 months he finished 4th.
That athlete is me.
The highest I’d ever finished in that event was ~50th overall / ~20th in my age group. As an aside…I also did my first ever MTB race as a practice, or “C” race a couple of weeks ago and finished 3rd in my age group.”
If it does, that podcast is here Steve Neal tempo training thoughts
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I love that… such a cool way to word it.
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Just in case anyone gets the wrong end of the stick,
“That athlete is me” is from the forum post by batwood14
I don’t want anyone thinking it is me, or that I have ever finished 4th in a serious race!
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